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Speaker 1: All right, let me start with a warning. If you do not want to see the
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worst of the United States of America, if you don’t want to hear from the people who endanger
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the very continuation of American democracy, then you should turn to something else right
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now. Our correspondent Luke Beasley, who, by the way, is getting really good at this,
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went to the Donald Trump rally in Conway, South Carolina, over the weekend. This may be some of
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Luke’s best stuff. It gets dangerous during these interviews. He spoke to Trump supporters. We are
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going to go through these one by one. There’s just a handful of clips. Really prepare yourself to be
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terrified about what may be in America’s future. Here’s the first interviewee, Luke, speaking to,
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a woman at the Trump rally in South Carolina. Speaker 4: Would you rather four years of dictator
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Trump or four years of democratically elected Joe Biden dictator Trump?
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Speaker 1: And there it is. Dictator Trump. These people are dangerous. These people are
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dangerous. They need to be treated as such. Speaker 2: And again, that’s a that’s a lie.
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You’re a liar. It’s the first day he said I’ll be a dictator for one day to
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put in the border. And, one other thing. Speaker 4: You’re a drill, baby. Drill.
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Speaker 2: You’re part, you’re part of you’re part of the media, a baby media turkey.
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Speaker 1: He’s a baby media Turk, you. Speaker 2: Are right there.
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Speaker 4: Wow, that was explosive. Speaker 2: In training and training.
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Good job. Apply to CNN. MSNBC here. Great. Speaker 1: There was a time where we would
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have gone to such a rally and found policy disagreements, but we wouldn’t have found
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people who would say, I’d rather a dictator over a Democrat. There was a time where that
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was not the nature of the disagreement. The woman then takes Luke’s microphone and I
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guess interviews him about it. Speaker 4: Oh, yes. Something
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fun. All right, I’m ready. Speaker 2: Hi, there. Hello. Hey.
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Speaker 4: What a bad thing about my wife to read. Speaker 1: Martin, you know, the question is,
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what’s a bad thing about Biden? Now we’re going to get into policy.
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Speaker 2: The inflation. He’s a crook. He is. Speaker 4: He’s like the guy who’s been
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indicted four times. Speaker 2: Come on, come
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on. Not convicted. Okay. He’s a crook. He stole money from country. He stole this left and right
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and made business deals to get. Okay, he said. Speaker 1: Understand that this is mush mouth
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nonsense. These are all confused words. Salads of stuff you hear on Fox News.
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Speaker 4: Received millions from foreign governments while
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he was president. He doesn’t trust. Speaker 2: Businesses. He doesn’t take
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those out is not true. He said, lgtbq you LGBTQ? Hey, I know you people do belong. Do believe in
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the transgender library story hours for children. Speaker 4: I think they’re called drag queen story
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hours, right. Which is different than transgender. Speaker 2: And they dress up demonically.
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Speaker 4: So would you say you’re you’re motivated, to protect the kids?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Speaker 4: And so,
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are you concerned with the leading cause of death for children being firearms? And
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Trump doesn’t do anything about that. Speaker 2: You’re leading cause of,
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death for children is abortion. Do your homework. Speaker 4: If we if we only talk about people who
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have been born leading cause of death for children is firearms. And this guy just
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spoke yesterday at the NRA convention, we could do commonsense gun reforms that could protect lives,
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save those beautiful children you’re talking about. But instead, we’re all focused on being
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distracted by drag queen story. Our really.
A man who insisted Trump never post a social truth.
Speaker 1: We need to do away with the false
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notion that if we just sit these folks down, we can talk them out of their delusions. Some
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of them we can, but at scale. That’s not how we’re going to win. We need to win
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by going around these people and making them politically irrelevant might not be nice. Oh,
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but they deserve they. They get to vote. I’m not saying you don’t let them vote. I’m saying we
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make their vote irrelevant by turning out in such large numbers. Here’s another guy that,
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Luke interviewed shows him Trump’s post The Truth Social about suspending the Constitution. The guy
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insists that it’s fake. Someone is making it look like that’s Trump posting it, but Trump
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would never post that. Luke shows it to him. This is again evidence that you show him the proof.
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They just don’t accept that. They say it’s fake. Speaker 4: And would you support somebody if they
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called for the termination of the Constitution? No. Can I show you something? Because I’m shocked
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that so many people don’t know about this. On Truth Social, this is from Trump’s true
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social. Because of his belief that the election was stolen. He said a massive fraud of this
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magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles. You don’t believe.
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Speaker 3: That? I don’t believe that. Speaker 4: Even though he sent it out
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on true social. That’s not true. That’s still up on his account.
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Speaker 3: No, that’s not true. That somebody made a fake thing, okay?
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Speaker 1: Somebody made a fake thing. That’s Trump’s truth. Social accounts.
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Speaker 5: Essential. Speaker 1: It’s not
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even disputed. It’s been defended by some MAGA people. Some people see that and they go, well,
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listen, when the left goes so crazy, you’ve got to potentially suspend the Constitution. But then you
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have people like that guy who got it’s not really Trump. The evidence doesn’t sway them that that
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is the proof of what we’ve been saying. They are impervious to evidence.
A man who said it’s not a insurrection
Here’s another guy Luke,
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interviews in some sort of, biker group, vest with the Trump hat. Well. It’s. It’s depressing. Guys.
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Speaker 3: Was not an insurrection. Speaker 4: What was it?
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Speaker 3: It was the overthrow of the government. Speaker 1: It wasn’t an insurrection. It was an
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overthrow of the government. Now, I dare you. To try to parse the syntax in the next 45 seconds
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of video. I dare you to figure out what this guy is saying. I know English is my second language,
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so maybe that’s why I can’t do it. But maybe you can help me. What is this guy talking about?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in my opinion. Speaker 4: By Trump supporters.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Speaker 4: Who is
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overthrowing the government? Speaker 3: Well, they were in
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there trying to, make a, a fake. I don’t know. I’m trying to think of the word the election
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was was they were trying to make it. Speaker 4: Certifying it. Yes. Okay.
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Speaker 3: And he didn’t win. They were trying to falsify. Get it all through before anybody
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did anything. My opinion. Speaker 4: So then who? Who
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stormed the Capitol? The storming the Capitol. Speaker 3: Never happened. Well, there were some
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CIA agents in there, from what I understand. Speaker 4: So then the CIA agents were
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storming the Capitol to stop the certification of Biden’s election.
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Speaker 3: No. To make it look like Biden’s people did it. I mean, Trump’s people did it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That is quite a yarn that that guy is spinning. He doesn’t even understand
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the conspiracy theories. When I appeared on the Jessy Lee Peterson show a few years ago. It was
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evident that Jesse didn’t understand his own conspiracy theories. This is another example
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of that.
A man who talked about if Trump was a civilly liable rapist
Here’s another interview. And each one scarier and more dangerous than the last.
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And by the way, really great job by Luke here. Speaker 5: Everything that the media has said
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over the years has been proven wrong. Every time somebody starts a legal case against Donald Trump,
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eventually they lose Donald Trump. Speaker 4: Oh, yes, sir.
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Speaker 5: Sir, you tell me something. Speaker 4: That $83.3 million is going
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to have to pay to Eugene Carroll. Also, no, you wait a minute. Listen. Why why
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are you supporting a civilly liable rapist? Speaker 1: By the way, congratulations to Luke
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for adopting civilly liable rapist. I don’t claim to have come up with it, and I’m not
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saying he got it from me, but I love that he is now using that term with Trump supporters.
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Speaker 5: Because you’re a moron for even saying that you truly are.
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Speaker 4: That’s quite literally the facts. Speaker 5: Are you that a judge said.
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Speaker 4: A jury found him liable for sexual abuse?
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Speaker 5: A judge said he is guilty and we’re going to go ahead and move to the ice. It’s going
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to be overturned, sir. Trust me. Save this. When it’s overturned, you all look back and
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go. I should have been more aware. I shouldn’t have believed the bullshit. All right. Have
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a good one. You know, all the pedophiles up at DC, they all need to go to get Mo.
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Speaker 1: The guys back, by the way. Speaker 4: Does Trump’s close
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relationship with Epstein bother you at all? Speaker 5: Trump and have said, here’s the
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deal. Trump has had his picture taken with everybody. The only relationship
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they had was Trump had his picture taken with Epstein. Trump has been photobomb.
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Speaker 4: He said, oh, I’ve seen like some young. Speaker 5: Well yeah, that’s you know,
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the whole thing. Speaker 4: That’s a
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great friend of mine. Like. Speaker 5: No he’s not. No.
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The whole Covid thing was a scam. Speaker 1: It’s funny when they
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say it’s a scam. Like who’s scammed who? And Luke does a good job of getting this guy on
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the record on this, and it goes nowhere. Speaker 5: Ivermectin most, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Ivermectin. Speaker 5: I started taking
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ivermectin immediately. Speaker 4: I hope not.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 4: It was proven to
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be not effective for Covid. Speaker 5: It’s the dumbest
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thing that I ever heard. Speaker 4: I learned a.
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Speaker 5: Lot. Best thing I ever heard. Speaker 4: Well, we got to focusing on
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this then. This is the dumbest. So what was Covid then? It was.
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Speaker 5: Fake. Covid was a bioweapon. They actually
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used HIV and they stitched it into a corona. Speaker 1: Stitched it like cross stitching.
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Speaker 4: Like, what’s the goal they’re. Speaker 5: Using for the HIV? Well, the whole
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thing was to lock down the country. Speaker 4: To.
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Speaker 5: For the left tards to try to take over the country.
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Speaker 4: Left heart? Speaker 5: Yes, the left heart.
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Speaker 1: So why can’t you guys just accept that Covid was fake? But a real bioweapon stitched from
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HIV. At crocheted even you could say in order for the left guards to take over the country
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to do what we don’t know. It, I don’t know. I don’t know why they would. And in order to
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achieve what? All right.
The last interview
Here’s the last one. And, it’s so depressing that we’re going to
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have to move on from this because. Speaker 3: We need to save this
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country that’s getting thrown away. Speaker 4: What is making it thrown
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away? Democrats doing what? Everything they’re doing the Inflation Reduction Act,
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lowering prescription drug costs. Take care. Speaker 1: Oh, na. Take care. The guy just
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bailing out when it realized he wasn’t going to steamroll Luke. So simultaneously,
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a fantastic job by Luke Beasley. And you can find his channel at David pakman.com/luke. And the
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worst of the worst of the worst of America. And I want to be super tactical with this stuff. When I
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see this I say to myself, how do we win elections despite these people? And the way is not to spend
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hours trying to convince them. Many of these folks are delusional in the clinical sense.
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The way to do it is maybe by showing this stuff to people who say, I might stay home. You say,
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really? If you stay home, this guy, right, the pick, whichever one of those people you
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like this guy’s vote. He now has more of an influence over how the country is run than
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you do. You feel good about that? I certainly would not. And so when I see these videos,
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I get extremely motivated to vote. Scary stuff. These people are dangerous. Very nice job by Luke.
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演讲者1：好的，我先给出一个警告。如果你不想看到美国的最糟一面，不想听到那些威胁到美国民主存续的人发言，
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那你现在应该去看别的东西。
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我们的记者卢克·比斯利最近在这方面越来越得心应手了。
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他周末去了南卡罗来纳州康威市的特朗普集会。这可能是卢克最出色的报道之一。
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在这些采访中情况变得危险。他采访了特朗普的支持者。我们会逐一放出这些采访片段。
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一共只有几个片段。请做好心理准备，看看美国的未来可能会是什么样子。
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这是第一个受访者，卢克在南卡罗来纳州的特朗普集会上采访了一位女士。
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演讲者4：你是想要四年独裁的特朗普，还是四年民主选举的乔·拜登？
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演讲者1：就这样，独裁者特朗普。这些人很危险，必须如此对待他们。
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演讲者2：再说一次，这是一派胡言。他说过他会在一天内成为独裁者，只为了修建边境墙。
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演讲者4：你们是钻井派，对吧？
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演讲者1：对啊。
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演讲者2：申请加入CNN或MSNBC吧。
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演讲者1：过去我们去这样的集会时，会发现政策上的分歧，但不会听到有人说“我宁愿要独裁者而不是民主党人”。
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那时候的分歧不是这个性质。那位女士接过卢克的麦克风，似乎反向采访他了。
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演讲者4：哦，是啊，准备好了吗？
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演讲者4：有什么关于我妻子的坏话吗？
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演讲者1：问题是，有什么关于拜登的坏话吗？
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演讲者4：拜登好像被起诉四次了。
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演讲者1：请理解，这是一堆胡言乱语。这些话语杂乱无章，全是从福克斯新闻听来的。
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演讲者4：特朗普当总统期间从外国政府那里获得了数百万美元。
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演讲者2：这不是真的，他说了LGBTQ？
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演讲者4：我认为他们称之为“变装皇后故事会”吧，这和变性人不同。
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演讲者4：那么，你是为了保护孩子而动员的吗？
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演讲者4：你关心的是枪支对儿童造成的威胁吗？
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我们可以进行一些常识性的枪支改革，保护你们谈论的那些美丽孩子的生命，但结果我们都被变装故事会分散了注意力。
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Speaker 1: 我们需要摒弃那种错误的观念，即如果我们只把这些人找来，我们就能说服他们放弃他们的错觉。有些人我们可以，但在大规模的情况下，这不是我们获胜的方式。我们需要通过绕过这些人，让他们在政治上变得无关紧要，这可能不太友好，哦，但他们是有选举权的。我并不是说不让他们投票，我是说我们通过动员大量选民，使他们的选票变得无关紧要。
这是另一位卢克采访的对象，他展示了特朗普在“真相社交”上关于暂停宪法的帖子。那个人坚称那是假的，认为有人让它看起来像是特朗普发布的，但特朗普绝对不会发这种帖子。卢克给他看了，这再次证明了你给他们看了证据，他们就是不接受。他们说那是假的。
Speaker 4: 如果有人呼吁终止宪法，你会支持吗？
Speaker 3: 不会。能给我看一下吗？我很震惊这么多人不知道这件事。在“真相社交”上，这条内容来自特朗普的“真相社交”账号。因为他相信选举被偷走了，他说这种规模的欺诈行为可以允许终止所有的规则、法规和条款。你不信吗？
Speaker 3: 我不信。
Speaker 4: 即使他发布了这条内容，它仍然保存在他的账户上。
Speaker 3: 不，那不是真的。是有人做了假消息，好的？
Speaker 1: 是的，有人做了假消息。这是特朗普的“真相社交”账户。
Speaker 5: 本质上。
Speaker 1: 这甚至没有争议，一些特朗普的支持者为此辩护。有人看到这个，就说，好吧，当左派变得如此疯狂时，你必须考虑暂停宪法。但随后又有像那个男人一样的人，认为这根本不是特朗普发布的。证据并没有让他们改变看法，这就是我们一直在说的。他们对证据视而不见。
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这是另一位卢克采访的人，他穿着某种摩托车俱乐部的背心，戴着特朗普的帽子。嗯，这让人很沮丧，伙计们。
Speaker 3: 这不是一场叛乱。
Speaker 4: 那是什么？
Speaker 3: 这是推翻政府。
Speaker 1: 这不是叛乱。这是推翻政府。现在，我敢打赌，你要在接下来的45秒视频中试图分析语法。
我敢打赌，你也许能搞明白这个人到底在说什么。我知道英语是我的第二语言，也许这就是我听不懂的原因。但也许你能帮我一下。这个人到底在说什么？
Speaker 3: 是的，这是我的观点。
Speaker 4: 是特朗普的支持者吗？
Speaker 3: 绝对不是。
Speaker 4: 那是谁在推翻政府？
Speaker 3: 好吧，他们在那里试图做一些假的事情。我不知道，我在试着想那个词，选举…他们在试图搞定它。
Speaker 4: 认证它。
Speaker 3: 对。没错。
Speaker 4: 那他没有赢。他们试图伪造，让一切在别人做之前就完成。这是我的看法。
Speaker 4: 那么谁冲进了国会大厦呢？
Speaker 3: 根本没发生过。嗯，据我了解，里面有一些CIA特工。
Speaker 4: 所以CIA特工是在冲击国会大厦，阻止认证拜登的选举结果？
Speaker 3: 不。是为了让它看起来是拜登的人做的。我是说，是特朗普的人做的。对。
Speaker 1: 这个家伙编的故事真是太离谱了。他甚至不理解这些阴谋论。几年前我参加杰西·李·彼得森的节目时，很明显杰西也不理解他自己说的阴谋论。这是另一个例子。
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这是另一场采访，每一场都比上一场更可怕、更危险。
顺便说一下，卢克做得非常好。
Speaker 5: 多年来媒体所说的每件事都已被证明是错的。每当有人对特朗普提起法律诉讼，最终他们都会败诉。
Speaker 4: 哦，没错，先生。
Speaker 5: 先生，告诉我一些事情。
Speaker 4: 那8300万美元必须支付给尤金·卡罗尔。另外，等等。听着，为什么你支持一个有民事责任的强奸犯？
Speaker 1: 顺便说一句，祝贺卢克采用了“有民事责任的强奸犯”这个词。我并不声称这是我想出来的，我也不是说他是从我这里学到的，但我喜欢他现在在用这个词形容特朗普的支持者。
Speaker 5: 因为你真的是个傻瓜，居然会说出那种话，你真的是。
Speaker 4: 那就是字面上的事实。
Speaker 5: 你是说法官说他有罪？
Speaker 4: 陪审团判定他对性侵行为负责。
Speaker 5: 法官说他有罪，我们会继续走法律程序。它会被推翻，先生。相信我，保存好这个。当它被推翻的时候，你们都会回头看，觉得“我应该更警觉些，不应该相信那些废话。” 好的，祝你们一切顺利。你知道，华盛顿DC那里的恋童癖都该去死。
Speaker 1: 那个家伙回来了，顺便说一下。
Speaker 4: 特朗普与爱泼斯坦的亲密关系有没有让你感到不安？
Speaker 5: 特朗普和他之间没有什么关系。特朗普和每个人都有合照，他们唯一的关系就是，特朗普和爱泼斯坦有合照。特朗普被拍到了。
Speaker 4: 他还说：“哦，我见过一些年轻人。”
Speaker 5: 好吧，知道了，整个事情就是这样。
Speaker 4: 他说：“他是我很好的朋友。”
Speaker 5: 不，他不是，不是的。
Speaker 5: 整个新冠疫情是个骗局。
Speaker 1: 他们说疫情是骗局时，真有趣。到底是谁被骗了？卢克在这一点上做得很好，他让这个家伙把话说得清清楚楚，但一切都没有结果。
Speaker 5: 顺便说一下，我一开始就服用了伊维菌素。
Speaker 1: 伊维菌素。
Speaker 5: 我立刻开始服用伊维菌素。
Speaker 4: 我希望你没这么做。
Speaker 5: 对，绝对的。
Speaker 4: 它已经被证明对新冠无效了。
Speaker 5: 这是我听过的最傻的事情。
Speaker 4: 我学到了很多。
Speaker 5: 最棒的事情。
Speaker 4: 那么我们就专注于这个吧，这真是最傻的。那么，新冠到底是什么？它是…
Speaker 5: 假的。新冠是生物武器。它实际上是用HIV病毒并将其融入冠状病毒中。
Speaker 1: 是像十字绣一样拼接的吗？
Speaker 4: 嗯，目标是什么呢？
Speaker 5: 目的是封锁国家。
Speaker 4: 是为了…
Speaker 5: 让左翼分子试图接管国家。
Speaker 4: 左翼分子？
Speaker 5: 对，左翼分子。
Speaker 1: 那么你们为什么不能接受新冠是假的，但它却是一个真正的生物武器，是从HIV病毒中拼接出来的？
Speaker 5: 是为了让左翼分子接管国家，做什么我们也不知道。我也不知道他们为什么这么做。为了达成什么目的呢？好的。
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这是最后一段，实在让人沮丧，我们得从这个话题继续前进。
Speaker 3: 我们需要拯救这个正在被抛弃的国家。
Speaker 4: 是什么让它被抛弃了？民主党在做什么？他们在做所有事情，包括《降低通货膨胀法案》，降低处方药费用。
Speaker 1: 哦，不，走吧。这个人刚才意识到他不会碾压卢克，所以就离开了。所以，卢克做得非常好。你可以在 David Pakman 的网站上找到他的频道 / luke。
Speaker 1: 这是美国最糟糕的一群人。我想要用一些非常战术性的思维来处理这些事情。当我看到这些时，我对自己说：我们如何在这些人面前赢得选举？答案不是花费时间去说服他们。许多人在临床意义上是妄想的。
Speaker 1: 做到这一点的方法，可能是把这些视频展示给那些说自己可能会待在家里的人。你说：“真的吗？如果你待在家里，那这个家伙，对吧？无论你选哪个人，他的票现在对国家的运行有更大的影响力。”
Speaker 1: 你觉得这好受吗？我当然不觉得。于是当我看到这些视频时，我变得非常有动力去投票。真是吓人的事情。这些人非常危险。卢克做得非常好。